Written on April 28th, 2009 by goatdieselone shout
****Since I first wrote this, it has been disclosed that Anderson Silva will replace Thiago Silva and fight Forrest Griffin at UFC 101 on August 8th****
As a massive MMA (mixed martial arts) fan, I am constantly defending the sport to people who are either uninformed or just looking to bust my balls. Either way, I usually get pretty riled up and some how always end up just calling the person a name. Yes, my tactics haven’t changed since kindergarten. One of my friends, Darkman, is a HUGE boxing fan and is only somewhat interested in MMA and more than anything just LOVES the fact he can rile me up whenever he wants. One of his big complaints is the fact that anyone can beat anyone and usually 80% of the fights are just dudes laying on each other doing nothing.
So coming into the fights a few weekends ago, I invited the DarkMan over to my mansion to take in the fights on my 150″ HD TV. (See: one bedroom shoebox apartment and 32″ tube TV) and after checking with EVERYONE else and seeing there were just no other options, he obliged to join me. After a few beers and some less than impressive fights, he started in about guys just laying on each other blah blah blah…That’s when I really stepped in it, “Wait till Anderson fights, then they be some excitement”. He agreed and said that was the only fight he was looking forward too, were we EVER wrong.
In his first fight back since his weird, jitterbugging fight against Patrick Cote, I figured Anderson would have to just come in and decimate Thales Leites to shut everyone up and show them who’s boss. Instead Anderson just sort of proved he seemed to like doing the jitterbug a hell of a lot more. Sure, every time he tried to engage his opponent, Leites would just drop to his ass and lay there in the “GoatDiesel Defensive Position” but for me that is no excuse. If you are the “pound for pound” best fighter in the world, shouldn’t you be able to hang with anyone, anywhere in the cage, including the ground? I have NEVER seen another fighter stay away from another fighter the way Leites did but I have also never seen a fighter who was supposed to be the best stay away as well. I truly think if that was GSP, he would have given up and engaged Thales on the ground, I would say the same for BJ Penn AND Fedor and those 3 have to be the other guys on tops of anyone’s list.
So what is the problem with Silva then? I’m glad you asked. I honestly think he is both bored and pissed off. Bored with having to deal with completely inferior opposition just so fans can watch him fight every few months. And pissed off for, having to deal with completely inferior opposition just so fans can watch him fight every few months. Why the UFC doesn’t wait a few months and give ”Spider” some real competition at Middleweight is a mystery to me! It’s not as if the division is empty, they gave Rich Franklin 2 shots at him, why not Nate Marquardt or Okami? Sure he fought Nate the Great before but it was 2 years ago and Nate truly looks like a new and far better opponent now a days. Okami is an very interesting fight as well because he was the last person to “beat” Anderson Silva. I used quotations because it was actually a disqualification for an illegal kick that DQ’ed Silva and gave Okami the win. Both of these guys are by far the best in the weight class in the UFC, besides Silva of course, so why keep throwing him guys that aren’t even in the Top 10 of the weight division? Because, I believe the UFC does get greedy and figures as long as you throw a guy of Silva’s calibre you are going to get fireworks and you are going to get ratings. Unfortunately for the fans, there was no gun powder on Montreal on the 18th.
Now it has been disclosed that Anderson Silva will face Forrest Griffin at 205lbs on August 8th. WHY? Sure, its probably going to be the 3rd most anticipated fight that has been official announced to take place this year, GSP vs, Thiago Alves and Brock vs. Frank Mir) but to me it doesn’t make sense. If Anderson’s last two fights were at 185lbs and he either decimated top contenders or had a couple of wars, this fight makes sense. But coming off of two of the weirdest fights I have ever witnessed? Doesn’t make sense to me to put him up at 205lbs.
For those of you that don’t know, the UFC, unable to find Silva formidable competition at his “natural” weight class of 185lbs, let the very talented fight move up to 205lbs, while they went searching for anyone who would give the champ a challenge. In his only fight at the 205lb weight class, Anderson looked pretty impressive. In his debut he took on the very heavy handed James “the Sandman” Irvin that has unreal KO power. That fight lasted a total of 61 seconds before Silva caught a kick from Irvin with one hand and then knocked him out with his other hand. Yes, he is THAT GOOD.
Make NO mistake, Forrest Griffin is no Thales Leites or James Irvin, this man is a legit ex-champion at 205lbs and VERY GAME. I will bet the farm you don’t seem Forrest dropping to his ass unless its either a joke or because Anderson puts him there. Forrest is a serious striker with a concrete chin and with his debut in the UFC, a war with Stephan Bonnar, he helped put the UFC and MMA in the mainstream with his heart and determination. The winner of season 1 of The Ultimate Fighter, Griffin is a VERY popular fighter and is no doubt very excited to be the guy who gets to make Silva actually HAVE to fight someone.
If Silva beats Griffin, the UFC almost HAS to give him a title shot or at least a fight with Rampage Jackson or the loser of Lyoto Machida and “Sugar” Rashad Evans. If Silva loses, keep him at 185lbs, throw him a good challenge and if he handles them easily then throw him and GSP together and let’s truly find out who the best pound for pound fighter in the world is.
Busy tonight? Cancel your plans. Tonight marks the beginning of a new season of “The Ultimate Fighter” also known as TUF. Oh and there is that free FIGHT NIGHT as well. Tonight at 8pm ET on Spike TV, UFC will be putting on a free night of 8 fights which will then be followed by the coolest show to watch if you are UFC or MMA fan.
TUF puts 32 of the best up and comers in MMA and makes them fight their way into a house where they can then fight for a contract in the UFC. After a format change in the last few years, 32 fighters must show up at a gym, randomly draw a name and fight, all in one night. The first two episodes of TUF are now filled to the brim with fights with guys that have nothing to lose and A LOT to gain. think I’m talking trash? Ever heard of Rashad Evans? Forrest Griffin? Kenny Florian? Joe Stevenson? How about Michael Bisping? If not, get the hell out of here, no seriously if you haven’t, then you obviously haven’t seen a single pay per view of the UFC in about 6 years.
There in lies ANOTHER good reason to watch TUF tonight, you get to know the fighters as they grow and you get to learn about the sport for what it really is, lots of training and decent and smart fighters, not all blood and gore like the media and old ladies want you to believe. Ok ok, maybe if you saw Junie Browning from last season you might not agree with the all decent and smart but there is always an exception right? Anyway, TUF is a great show for hardcore fans of MMA and also people how are sick of sitting at their lunch tables at work or school just nodding their head when the inevitable “Did you see the UFC on the weekend” talk starts after a weekend UFC pay per view. Plus, deep down, every loves a good reality show and this show sticks 16 fighters in a house with no TV, no internets, no phones and FREE BOOZE. Yes, it is as crazy as it sounds.
This year the UFC is putting even ANOTHER twist on the show, country vs country. The US will take on the U.K tonight as Dan Henderson will coach the states and Michael Bisping will be the coach of the U.K. So not only is their a contract on the line for the winner of the show, its also about pride and patriotism in the match up. Who is the stronger country? Who has the better fighters?
Tomorrow I will be back to give my predictions of who I think is a real deal and who I think is a real asshole!
Written on March 21st, 2009 by goatdieselone shout
For those of you that follow MMA and the UFC you are fully aware of what has been going on between GSP and BJ Penn since their fight at UFC 94. If you aren’t a hardcore fan you may not know, so guess what? I’ll tell you! At UFC 94 in what was billed in the biggest fight in MMA history to determine the best pound for pound fighter in the world, GSP and BJ Penn faced off. What happened after the bell rung for round one was more like the most lopsided drubbing in MMA history and a fight to determine how badly you can own someone else in every facet of MMA. As if getting trounced by GSP wasn’t enough for the pudgy Hawaiian, BJ Penn then accused Georges and his corner man Phil Nurse of rubbing Vaseline on St. Pierre’s body which is highly illegal as it makes it almost impossible for a guy on the bottom to regain any type of control. After the first round a member of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, which oversees all fights to make sure there is no funny business, noticed that GSP’s cut man (Nurse) was touching the fighters back after he had applied Vaseline with his hands to the fighters face. After noticing this the NSAC came in the ring and wiped GSP down with a towel to get any residue that might have been left on the back of Georges. Obviously Penn didn’t feel like this was thorough enough so after he quit between the 4th and 5th round of the fight, BJ went home to Hawaii to be the man again and maybe he didn’t get any props at the fast food joint he was eating at and decided to take a formal complaint up with the NSAC and try to get the bout turned into a no contest and get St. Pierre and his trainers fined and possibly suspended for what took place. He went as far to make an over the top elaborate video with catchy tunes to show how St. Pierre and Nurse cheated with quotes from other fighters saying how slippery GSP was (it would have been awesome if they all talked like Dan Severn). The video actually does a good job to sway you in the corner of BJ but if you watched the fight live, you know Georges was just the better fighter on that day and truly owned BJ, Vaseline or no Vaseline.
Well now we have a confession from GSP that he indeed DID cheat and you can see it in this video below. I will also post the Hollywood blockbuster Penn and his team put together. Lastly I would like to say that in my experience with someone crying foul is usually the harder you cry the less foul there was…..
Also, I would like to add that the NSAC has held a legal hearing and DID NOT agree with Penn and there were no charges filed against GSP or his trainers.
Written on February 1st, 2009 by goatdieselone shout
First off, I would like to congratulate myself for two reasons this morning. One foreven being able to pry my eyes open this early in the morning after last nights celebration of the demoralization of BJ Penn by George St. Pierre. Congratulations GSP! And two because sometimes I am SO smart. 4th round TKO! Oh yeah, everyone told me I was crazy and GSP couldn’t TKO Penn but he made HIM QUIT and that’s the best thing he could have done. But of course, the celebration was cut short AGAIN by the UFC and letting Thiago Alves in the ring after George just went through “the top contender” but that’s griping I’ll save for another day. Onto more pressing matters of this little football game.
So I hear this little contest today is actually pretty popular? Between the American election and the Superbowl, I don’t think I have even seen a news story or TV commercial for any other product in the last 2 months AND I LIVE IN CANADA. No wonder they charge $2.7M for 30 seconds of commercial during the Superbowl, they haven’t shown an actual commercial in a month and they need that ad revenue baby. I know, I know, too much ME not enough sports talk, so lets get down to it. (more…)
Written on January 31st, 2009 by goatdieselno shouts
Today marks a day I have been waiting to come for almost 6 months, George St. Pierre vs. BJ Penn. It seems like only yesterday I was throwing back my first beer during UFC 93 and now I am already back to give you my always spot on predictions! Right now I am 4 for 9 on my predictions but don’t worry, I will go 100% tonight (wink wink nudge nudge).
As always, I will only discuss the fights that are going to be televised and give you the leg up on your boy, girl, or like me, imaginary friends, that you have bets against for the fights tonight.
Main Event: 170lbs George ” I need a new nickname” St. Pierre vs. BJ “Lil’ Buddha” Penn
Finally, a fight people can get excited for! The #1 welterweight in the world vs. the #1 lightweight in the world. Although this is a dream match up, I hate how it came to fruition. I will do a quick recap for those of you that may not know. After GSP decimated, in my eyes, his biggest competition in Jon Fitch, fat little BJ waltz’s into the ring like he often does and stops the celebrations early. He then continues to let Dana White and the rest of the world know that he not only doesn’t respect anything except Hawaii but he also thinks 3 seconds is long enough for GSP to find his next opponent, himself. I truly think the UFC treats their Welterweight champion poorly and this is just another example of that treatment. First you make a reality show where any dude who can beat some other nobody’s gets the chance to become the welterweight champion. Then you let a loud mouthfrom ANOTHER weight division walk in to the Octagon and challenge your champion 3 seconds after he just went 5 rounds with a REAL contender. If this pisses me off, imagine what it did to St. Pierre. (more…)
Written on January 17th, 2009 by goatdieselone shout
Let’s Get It ON!!! This weekend UFC 93 is live from the Emerald Isle. The first event for the UFC in Ireland is shaping up to be a good one, not necessarily for the fair weather fan but for the cage potatoes who know the difference between a gogoplata and an omoplata. Who am I kidding? Everyone loves seeing a couple beefcakes get in the Octagon and see who the better man is that day.
Like I did before The Ultimate Fighter 8 Finale and failed to deliver for “The Ultimate 2008″. I am going to supply you with my “knowledge” of the fights and give you a leg up on your competition or maybe some background information for those of you that may not know who these guys are. So let’s get it started, I will only be discussing the fights that are scheduled to appear on TV.
Main Event: 205lbs Dan “Hendo” Henderson vs. Rich “Ace” Franklin
Pop Quiz: What do you get when you put 2 of the nicest guys in a cage against each other? Answer: Hendo vs. Franklin. In one the weirdest match-ups I can remember, you get Dan Henderson, a nice guy but really justa gate keeper in the UFC light heavyweight division vs. Rich Franklin a….nice guy and a gatekeeper in the UFC middleweight division. Like I said, this is a weird fight and one that doesn’t really make sense to me? If Hendo wins he jumps to…5th in line for the title shot??? And if Franklin wins he winds up somewhere near 7th? Like I said this is a very strange match up and especially for a main event but I digress, these are two GREAT fighters with some pretty impressive resumes. Henderson has a hall of fame of fighters under his belt and was once a double belt holder in Pride of Japan in the promotions haydays. Franklin is no slouch himself. He was the Anderson Silva of middleweights before well..Anderson Silva performed reconstructive surgery for free on Franklin’s face. Without that loss, Franklin had ran through the whole division and looked like he couldn’t be stopped.
Keys to victory: Its no secret “Ace” has about as good take down defence (more…)
Written on December 13th, 2008 by goatdieselno shouts
Tonight marks the finale for season 8 of the UFC and SpikeTV’s wildly successful “The Ultimate Fighter” franchise. For those of you NOT in the know, the winner of the Ultimate Fighter main events (lightweight and light heavyweight this season) get a 6 figure contract with the UFC and you get to see some sweet action live and free! This show has produced a champion (Forrest Griffin), #1 contenders (Rashad Evans, Kenny Florian) and all out nut jobs (Chris Leben and this season Junie “Bi-Polar” Browning). As usual, to culminate the season the UFC puts a free show on SpikeTV (8pm ET) to decide who is the Ultimate Fighter. Mixed along with some usually pretty interesting battles the free card is always a nice treat for the fans, fairweather to hardcore.
So in what I hope will become a regular post (predceding all buig MMA events) I will break down the matches with my extreme knowledge and research (see: guesses) and try to give you an edge over your buddies when you are putting in your MMA Fantasy picks or playing a drinking game. This time around I will detail the maybe lesser known fighters that are competing from the show and quickly break down the more accomplished fighters that fill the card . So here we go… (P.S I will only discuss the fights that are to be televised)
Since his pass out session in the first episode, Nover has been making a name for himself as well as making people pass-out, by way of punching their brains to sleep and impressing the sh** out of everyone including Dana White, who thinks he may be the next “Anderson Silva”. If he can continue to show his uncanny ability to make people think because he is a nurse he won’t hurt people and then continue to hurt people very badly, I think he could fair well in this match up.
Escudero has little left to prove as he has overcome two of the biggest shit talkers (couldn’t hold back) in TUF history, Junie Browning and Shane Nelson. First, Shane Nelson got drunk and nasally verbally assaulted Efran before their match-up, only to be thoroughly out classed in the Octagon then Efran choked out the Fran Drescher impersonator. Then continuing his journey into the A-hole hall of fame, Junie jumped into the Octagon after Escudero beat Nelson and proceeded to talk his way into a beating by Efran in a fight to see who would face Nover tonight.
Who’s going to win?: Efran has only shown a good ground game but Nover just received his black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu so theres no advantage there. I would say Nover shows why he’s the next Spyda and knocks out the stockier Escudero in the 1st round
Light Heavyweight contract fight: Ryan “Master” Bader vs. Vinicius “Maximus” Magalhães (205lbs)
Bader with his frat boy looks and gelled up do really surprised some people in the house with his ability to stay awake while laying on his opponents. An Arizona State wrestler following in the footsteps of last seasons douche bag extraordinaire C.B Dalloway among many others, Bader used his good take down skills in his matches and some solid ground and pound to bore his way to a victory.
Vinny is an unreal Jiu Jitsu specialist with limited stand up skills. He tries to utilize the lay and prey technique which finally work on his last opponent Krzysztof Soszynski when he caught him in a click arm bar to go to the finale. Vinny was probably the most hyped fighter to get to the show because of his fight pedigree which made him the second pick of coach Frank Mir. Assuming he would have been first pick by fellow countryman and idol Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Vinny was pretty PO’ed and later in the season took it out on the coach in what was probably the most embarrassing war of words between to huge fighters I have ever seen.
Who’s gonna win?: Seeing as Bader just likes to lay on his opponents and Vinny wants his opponents to come to his domain on the ground. I see a quick submission by Vinny in the second round sending Bader back to his dressing room to gel up his do and slap some blue steel on the reporters in the post fight conference.
Lightweight fight Junie “Bi-Polar” Browning vs. Dave “Capitals” Kaplan (155lbs)
Junie either came into the show to make a name for himself as the craziest bastard from Kentucky (trust me that’s not an easy task) or he is legitimately bi-polar and my joking nickname is severely insensitive. Either way the guy is a nut bar and was pretty entertaining and actually showed some promised in his first fight aside from his poor cardio. Eventually losing the final match to Efran by choke out in the third round Junie vowed to never fight again, then minutes later vowed this wouldn’t be the last time we saw Mr. Browning.
Dave “Capitals” Kaplan maybe the brightest fighter with the WORST game plan. Guaranteeing to know the capital of any country in the world, Dave used his large brain to provide some of the best quotes from the show. The times he probably should have used a little more of his grey matter provided the best highlights. For his fight against Nover, Kaplan thought he would take Phillipe’s best shots chin side then after not being able to be knocked out take over and win the fight. The only problem? Kaplan was human and while not being knocked out techinically he was about 3 seconds from pressing the snooze button. The loss fueled a drinking binge Kaplan during which announced he could never be knocked out. Obliging in the request of Kaplan to prove this statement, Kyle Kingsbury (205lbs) punched him in the face and what looked liked killed the much smaller Kaplan, after a short Kingsbury induced nap Kapland emerged to only state he was just kidding. Truly genius.
Who’s gonna win?: Kaplan may be smarter but Junie is WAY crazier. I think Browning will show up with improved conditioning to what he showed on the show and use his strong chin and good submissions to take Kaplan out in a decision.
Middleweight Fight: Jason “The Athlete” MacDonald vs. Wilson “Fat Ass” Gouveia (189lbs)
Who’s gonna win?: Seeing as Gouveia couldn’t resist snacking in between training, this fight will no longer be at the scheduled middleweight of 185lbs but rather a catch weight of 189. MacDonald is a very fit Canadian that has always came out and put on good fights and being in the better shape I thing he will prevail. MacDonald by rear naked choke in the first round.
Welterweight fight: Kevin “Pokey” Burns vs. Anthony “Rumble” Johnson (170lbs)
Who’s gonna win?: This is a rematch with some bad blood and even worse vision. In their first match, Burns fighting with a broken left hand, repeatedly poked “Rumble” in the eye during their bout which eventually had to be stopped by the referee after Johnson suffered a VERY severe eye laceration that required surgery. No fully healthy Burns intends on doing damage with a closed fist. I just think Rumble is too athletic and strong and certainly pissed off to lose this one. I say Rumble with a flash TKO in the first.
This concludes the first edition of Goat’s guesses. Hopefully my genius predictions bring you into money or at least a few drinks given out to your sad sack pals. Good luck to all the fighters tonight as no one hopes to see carnage like the stuff that took place on Wednesday at UFC Fight for the Troops.
Written on December 8th, 2008 by goatdieselno shouts
Retirement?
What was that? Seriously? What did I just watch? I thought they were billing this as a “Super Fight”? It was really more like a “Super Ass Kicking” or a “How To Box Video” starring Manny Pacquiao and some guy who looked like Oscar De La Hoya’s older brother. Now I am not a boxing aficionado by any means but I am a sports fan I know one thing, that was EMBARRASSING!!! For those of you who may have missed it. On Saturday night there was supposed to be a fight to declare the unofficial “pound for pound champion in boxing”. (Yes! Boxing is still around) The problem was, only one fighter showed up and here’s a hint, it WASN’T Oscar De La Hoya.
Foreshadowed by a undercard full of lopsided fights that ended quickly and watching Jim Lampley and the HBO crew scramble for 45 minutes, you knew this fight wasn’t going to be pretty and you were right. As soon as I saw the tale of the tape, I saw the writing on the wall. A MUCH shorter Pacquiao (5′6″,’stache not included) gained 6.5lbs overnight and De La Hoya gained only 1lb. By fight time there was only a pound advantage for Pacquiao but there is something to be said when the bigger (5′10″) who normally fights at a higher weight class can’t even match the 6lbs the much smaller and naturally lighter Filipino was able to gain. Was he too tired to eat? Did he even care? Was this all getting boring for him? All of those questions scare me and are my biggest problems with boxing as a sport.
When you look at De La Hoya’s career you can by no means say he has ever taken the easy road. He has defeated 18 current or former champions and I am not insinuating he is a ducker like Fedor Emelianenko in MMA but when you look at the payouts he is receiving at this point in his career, you might agree with me when I ask how hard he is willing to train when he is guaranteed to make $20M+ win or lose. Granted he is a boxer, probably the most competitive breed of athlete in this day and age, to get punched in the face for a living you have to be either competitive or crazy. And with his interviews and massively successful promotional company (Golden Boy Promotions) he is certainly not the latter. When I saw he was rumoured to be paid $50M win or LOSE for his fight against Floyd Mayweather Jr. in May of 2007, I definitely questioned what was really bringing these fights about.
At least the Mayweather fight was for a title, so you could almost believe it wasn’t just for the ridiculous pay out. You can almost believe the Golden Boy was motivated by the talk he may have lost it and wanted to prove he was still the pound for pound the best fighter in the world when he fought the Pac-Man. But when you actually watched what transpired Saturday night, that all went out the window like one of Larry Merchant’s crazy-ass, long-winded questions.
How can we fix this? I am not sure boxing can be saved but I have a thought to make it more interesting and it is borrowed from the sport some say is taking over for boxing, MMA. In MMA, a majority of the fighters are paid PEANUTS compared even to the guy who rings the bell at main events in boxing. That isn’t because the promoters are ripping these guys off (well maybe a little) but because the sport is still in its embryonic stage. They do have a great way of making these guys fight a lot harder than most boxers, win bonuses. UFC for example, gives out a win bonus (usually it doubles the fighters base pay), a Fight of the Night bonus, Knock Out of the Night bonus and even a Submission of the Night bonus for usually $10,000. When you’re getting paid only $6,000 to step up and fight, that’s a pretty nice chunk of change and it not only gives these underpaid fighters more of a reason to make the fight exciting but to genuinely care how hard they train and what happens in the ring (or Octagon).
Now I am sure some boxers get cuts of pay per views, gates and all that but I mean bonuses off each other, almost like a bet. I read a rumour that De La Hoya and Pacquiao agreed to put up 10% of their respected purses for the fight and I thought that was great but as far as I know it was only that, a rumour. Take this exact fight, from what I heard, De La Hoya was promised 60% of the cut and Manny of course 40% but the side bet would even it out at 50%. Of course 50% of say $100M isn’t too shabby no matter how you cut it but when you are putting up 10% of the money you can earn it also becomes a pride thing. I know when I make my weekly $5 bet at work regarding anything from who goes the bathroom first to who talks first, I try my hardest to beat those other bastards. Not only because the $5 will get me one more beer that Friday but because I don’t wanna have these guys to wave that money in my face like I always do to them.
Maybe my money scheme won’t save boxing or even make it more interesting but they have to do something. Because showing up, getting out-punched 229 to 39 and having to throw in the effing towel in 8th round of a fight you were never in and still getting paid millions, is about as interesting as watching as my co-workers faces go blue after their morning coffees after a “First to pee bet”. Ok, maybe not even that interesting. So do us a favour Golden Boy, either train harder, fight competition that fits your style or join Blanche, Rose, Sofia and Dorothy in retirement. (Golden Girl’s reference…YES!!!)
In his first fight back since his weird, jitterbugging fight against Patrick Cote, I figured Anderson would have to just come in and decimate Thales Leites to shut everyone up and show them who’s boss. Instead Anderson just sort of proved he seemed to like doing the jitterbug a hell of a lot more. Sure, every time he tried to engage his opponent, Leites would just drop to his ass and lay there in the “GoatDiesel Defensive Position” but for me that is no excuse. If you are the “pound for pound” best fighter in the world, shouldn’t you be able to hang with anyone, anywhere in the cage, including the ground? I have NEVER seen another fighter stay away from another fighter the way Leites did but I have also never seen a fighter who was supposed to be the best stay away as well. I truly think if that was GSP, he would have given up and engaged Thales on the ground, I would say the same for BJ Penn AND Fedor and those 3 have to be the other guys on tops of anyone’s list.
